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Offline master5712

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« on: June 07, 2010, 01:13:38 AM »
hi, I have a question about jacket. One of my friend want to sell me an Xelement jacket and told me that it suppose to protect me very well if an accident occur. I look around and found 2 other brand name : alpine star and teknic. I was wondering, is the 3 brands are equal in protection or the more expensive the better?

Ho and another question about size. I'm 5`11" 180lbs, would a jacket size 44 fit me or not. I found some chart saying 44 is medium and some saying 38 is medium, very confuse here.

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Re: jacket
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 09:11:59 PM »
Well for sizes go to motorcycle shop and try on the coats...you don't need to buy. Only way to be sure.

As for the brands...I would say they are all comparable but the question does not mean much.
Each brand has more than one line of jacket and each line offers different styles and levels of protection.

Price does not always mean better as style and name brand play into the price. The main thing your looking for is abrasion resistance. this is the ability of the material to withstand being rubbed against the asphalt. Jeans only last a few seconds so you'll need more than that if you going over 10km/h(really guys jeans are nothing).

Secondly is heat resistance as sliding creates a lot of heat, so no nylon or silly things like that as it will melt and that can make things worse.

third is padding..when you fall you fall....you may also cart wheel or hit something so padding is always nice.

4th is fit, the jacket should not be able to ride up on your body. it will do you no good if it simply rides up leaving your back exposed in a crash. same for the arms. It should fit tight and have some way of tightening the arms.

Do you need all of the above? no, but you will wish you did in a crash.
I'm dumb and have crashed and I was more upset and embarrassed than hurt. 100% due to the gear.

Also look and feel do play a role, if you don't wear it it does no good it all. I could suggest getting a one piece racing suit that you can bairly walk in as they are amazing and offer the best protection but who wants to wear one of those 24/7. Pick the level of comfort and protection you want.

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Re: jacket
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 11:30:35 PM »
thanks that really  help :)

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Re: jacket
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 09:07:28 AM »
Great advice!  I just got my first pair of leather chaps on the weekend and already feel safer than in just jeans.
Like they said at the course, don't dress for the ride, dress for the crash! 

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 02:36:01 PM »
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Re: jacket
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 12:18:11 PM »
I agree with Morgal. There are many different brands out there. I tried on several brands at the local dealer, but none felt as comfortable as my Joe Rocket Original Ballistic Jacket. A true motorcycle jacket should have longer cuffs, pre-bent arms, and longer in the back so it doesn't ride up. Gloves are a must.
I bought teknic shortys and love them. Thicker leather in the palms and armored knuckles.
Helmets are a no brainer. Pick the one that fits best and gives you the best vision.
Try not to let price dictate what you buy, go for comfort and protection. You only have 1 body, but you can always buy another jacket/pants /gloves etc.

Try on several brands of gear, and pick the one most comortable that has the most protection. It does you no good if it doesn't fit or you don't wear it. There are too many skin donors out there, riding in shorts/flip flops and wife beaters already.
They're gonna learn the painful way. Even a low speed crash can hurt you bad.

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Re: jacket
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 08:51:23 AM »
I know this topic is old, but in case someone comes along looking for the same info:
I've been riding a LONG time.  Here is what I know. 
Nylon has come a long way in terms of protection, but it has problems with keeping you cool when it's hot, and keeping you warm when it is cold.  No matter how strong the weave, the space age material it is made of, etc, it will not offer the same level of protection as a good set of leathers.  I am not married to brand name, I check each piece carefully for quality and fit.  I have a yamaha star touring jacket, Triumph leather pants, Harley Davidson boots, and a couple of different sets of gloves. 
The more padding in your gear, the better.  I speak from experience.  Padding on the knees really helps, padding on the elbows is basically a must. 
Choose pants over chaps.  I know I am going to get a tremendous amount of flak over this but I'm going to say it anyways:  Chaps are for strippers.  The two areas where you need the protection the most is totally exposed with chaps.  You might think jeans will offer enough protection where the chaps stop, but you would be wrong.  Unless your wearing the new motorcycle jeans (I still have my doubts) then jeans are not going to offer much protection, especially at speeds over 60 km/h.
A good helmet is a no brainer. 
I was involved in a head on accident on the highway.  Two broken ribs, some whiplash, ankles a bit messed up, messed up a tendon in my calf, but considering what would have happened without good leather top and bottom, I ended up in pretty good shape.  NO ROAD RASH! lol.
Hope it helps someone down the road.
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Re: jacket
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 01:13:17 PM »
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Choose pants over chaps.  I know I am going to get a tremendous amount of flak over this but I'm going to say it anyways:  Chaps are for strippers.  The two areas where you need the protection the most is totally exposed with chaps. 


100 % agree. Chaps dont even look cool, let alone offer any real protection. Almost as bad as some of the dips around Edmonton wearing crocs......


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Re: jacket
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 03:20:53 PM »
Just don’t get textile and especially mesh. The jackets tend to have multiple layers so might be okay, but would still be single use only. The pants will always be obliterated by even fairly minor crashes.

I’ve had 3 spills which involved sliding of some sort at speeds ranging from pretty low to about 60-65kph. Textile is complete trash and very specific and lucky variables prevented me from scraping my skin up. Mesh will disintegrate almost immediately and you might as well be wearing shorts. Textile will do about as well as normal jeans I would think. In my spill on textile pants they were shredded within about 5 feet of sliding. Mind you the asphalt was more abrasive as it was on a racetrack, but the pants were complete shit. And they were thick grade touring textile. The fancy labels don’t mean squat.

Draggin Jeans fair a lot better. It took a sustained slide at 60kph to burn through it and I got a bit of a  scrape where it finally burned through but I was in the ditch by then.

And through all this…..I had worn the SAME leather jacket and even slid on the same place multiple times. If it weren’t for the fact the zipper doesn’t work anymore from the last crash, I’d still be using it. It is in very rough shape aesthetically, but all the leather and stitching can hold up to another couple spills quite easily.

Get leather. You can crash at any speed and slide for any distance and know you don’t need to worry about anything but hitting things or being run over.

I’ll be complementing my Draggin Jeans (which I repaired and use for riding around town as they look great for any situation really) with a set of leather pants.

So, the ranking goes:

Leather > Draggin Jeans > Textile > Mesh > Saran Wrap

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Re: jacket
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 04:18:33 PM »
Textile probably is single crash, but is still very protective...I haven't experienced it yet, but if you go on YouTube and search Atlas Rider, he went down at 80mph in his textile suit and it had minimal damage...he shows the suit and praises it quite highly...

Sounds like you spend a bit of time sliding on the pavement...I'm hoping most of your spills are at the track, otherwise you might want to dial the aggression back buddy... ;)

I bought textile as my first riding jacket, and when/if I go down I will probably replace it with leather...but when you are starting out and having to buy everything, including the bike and insurance, you run out of funds pretty quick...but as you replace/upgrade your stuff, leather should be at the top of the list...

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 10:35:18 AM »
when JR jackets came out back in the mid 90's with the "waterproof" and more than half the cost of leathers they sold like hotcakes. I myslef slide thru a intersection and a few of my customers had their fair share of mishaps. The jackets did come apart, but saved the skin. Leather would have had a slight blemish to it. I currently have a textile and a textile/mesh jacket and the Alter Ego Pants for my gear.
I have a friend who had a incident, going around the corner about 30-45 km and fell right over. Slide on her textile jacket and pants. And I saw her land on her forearm and do a health skid. Aside from a small tear in the jacket forearm area, and dirt marks on the pants, all was good.

http://www.newenough.com/browse/view_product_images/437
http://www.newenough.com/street/pants/textile_pants/joe_rocket/alter_ego_textile_mesh_motorcycle_overpants.html


Of course, If ever presented with a chance to purchase a leather jacket, but, the one I want. I would buy it.
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Re: jacket
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 04:01:11 PM »
I understand cost is an issue. But there are times during trips I am moving at a velocity over 100kph quite obviously. I have complete faith in leather. I do not have complete faith in textile.

I just don't want something designed to barely make it through a slide with JUST enough cohesion to save most my skin. I want something above the minimum required.

And if cost is an issue think of it this way:

...you buy gear to dress for the crash, not the ride. So assuming you do crash, you will be able to re-use your leather, so it would pay for itself in one crash. And not only did it pay for itself but it gave you superior protection during actual use.

I personally dislike textile after going through three pairs of pants. I feel it is useless, but at the very least it is inferior.

Just my opinion as it applies to my gear buying decisions. Textile is better than wearing no gear so I'm not knocking it to that extent. And cost/comfort for me personally factors into my day to day riding. Multiple pairs of draggin jeans, khakis, and dress pants (yes Kevlar lined dress pants) work for me better than leather. But for jackets getting textile doesn't make much of a difference. They are pretty much the same cost unless you want a fancy one.

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Re: jacket
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2011, 10:57:29 AM »
peaking of leather.....

Looking around town on Sat... had a few hours to kill off. No that a lot of these guys have much on the shelf due to sleds gear still out I still managed to try on some jackets.

I tried on the Joe R gear, and I still do not like the big ass "rocket" on the front / back and side of the arms.. not to mention the pants. So, I found a set, full retail, asked the young gent at the desk for a discount, he gave me the blanket 10%... I said you need to do better, his buddy said 15% and my reply was a little more and his reply was they do not have the margins to do it. So, I kept the smile inside my head and then left them my number and said call me when you hit 25% and I would buy it.

I have it down to the following, each with their good,bad and ugly.

ICON
JOE
ALPINESTAR
CORTECH - if I could find any around here.

So I will keep on looking. No rush.

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Re: jacket
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2011, 12:16:38 PM »
Yeah, I agree with the Joe Rocket stuff...that's what I bought...all the "ROCKET" all over the thing makes me feel "squiddy" when I wear it, but it was all I could find (in my price range) that fit me...although I didn't look very hard...I only went to one bike shop...but I just wanted a safe jacket for riding and to get out there...

I wonder if I removed the "ROCKET" crap from the arms and back if it would stay together?  I guess I could take it to a seamstress to have them removed...shouldn't cost too much...I like the jacket other than that.

Mine's not leather either, I wanted the venting and to be able to stay cool in the summer...it has a zip out liner that is warm enough to wear down to about five deg, then it starts to not be enough...put on a "hoodie" under the jacket and was good to -5C...then my gloves were the sore spot...

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 09:19:32 AM »
I've managed to take most of the stitching out of the ICON stuff I've bought. I hate all the labels too. I like things that are monochromatic without any text at all.

As for cost, I've always gotten decent deals well over15% off from dealerships when I just level with them. I tell them I really enjoy their dealership and have been coming there for ages. I really want to support them by giving them my business. Because they are local and there is convenience I am willing to pay a little bit more for the goods, but not the ridiculous mark-ups they charge.

I show them a price after shipping I can get the EXACT same item for brand new in the same packaging and tell them if they can do THAT price +~10% I would be willing to buy it from them. They usually see reason and agree.

And the thing is, it's not a lie either. I really do enjoy the one or two dealerships I frequent and the staff are great. I WANT to give them my business but I am a single father with a heroin addiction. Well, no I'm not and no I'm not, but still, money is tight.